TUESDAY, June 24th, 2008

Het teens! Thanks for staying faithful to the small group of you guys that are left right now! I know that there are several people out of town, so thankyou for staying persistent Keep it up!

A Few Thoughts From Yesterday:
Brooke: Your Devotions Yessterday were incredible! That is what this is all about! It was amazing how you said: "I got a problem I need to fix right now". Did everything go okay with that? You are so cool! I am excited about the trip this weekend!
Rob: Are we still getting together tonight? Call me and let me know!
Amy: I can't wait until you get back from the wilds! That will be great! Good job on the devos yesterday! That is why this is called: Do you devotions with Suncoast youth group! :) Very Smart!

John 8:48-59

48 Then the Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?”
49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.
50 And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges.
51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”
52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’
53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God.
55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

This dialogue between Jesus and the Jews is just like many conversations that Jesus had with them. Jesus tries to explain who He is and they try to kill Him. What a life, think about that... what if every where you went whenever you introduce yourself, people just try to kill you!! And yet, Jesus Christ still paid the penalty for all of our sin with His life! Thank you Lord!

So this seems just like any other conversation that Jesus had, but I can think of a few outstanding moments in this conversation.

Verse 48: Can you believe they ask this: "So woud we be right if we said that you have a demon" In other words, they thought Jesus Crazy, and they even asked Him if He was possessed by a demon! (49-51 Jesus explains why He is not possessed)

Verse 52: Then they take it a step farther, by saying: "Now we know you are possessed"
Verse 53: The Jews literally say to Jesus: "Who do you think you are??"

Verse 54-56: Jesus explains what He is doing, and what Abraham thought of Him.

Verse 57: These guys are freaked out, they wonder... how can He know Abraham??? He is not even 50 years old yet!! (They really had no clue)

Then in verse 58 we see this thought provoking statement: "Before Abraham was, I am"

You dont have to be an english professor to know there is something going on with the verb tenses there. Why did He say that before abraham was, (Past tense) I am (present tense)?!?! Do you have any thoughts...

You kind of have to get a picture in your mind to understand it the best way possible! Here is the way I like to visualize it: You see the time line of life... All the way back from creation to that present moment in time... all the way to eternity.

Imagine that timeline of our existence on a paper, laying on a table, and Christ is standing up beside the table and He says: Before Abraham was... (as He points to the spot on the timeline) ... I Am! (As He looks up at you!)

Do you get it! He is outside of time, we are constrained by time, as if we are locked onto a sheet of paper, but Christ stands above that paper (outside of time) to show us that He is God in the flesh, He always has been, and He always will be!! How cool is that!

Well, the Jews did not like the truth, so they (once again) picked up stoned to kill Jesus. How do you respond when someone tells you the truth about something, even when you do not want to hear it??

LOVE YOU GUYS!!

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

git-r-done 2x's this week!!!

Anonymous said...

YES FIRST ONE!!!!!Im sry i didnt do them yesterday or sunday but sunday my internet wasnt working and yesterday some peoplecame over and we couldnt get them to leave it was so annoying jk Pastor Lee i had fun last night and im glad i got to share with Wills first poopl experience.
Okie dokie pokie on to the devos so These people think Jesus has a demon in him and thats obviously not true but its because they thi nk Jesus glorifys him self and Jesus is trying explain that God glorfys him Jesus doesnt glorfy him self then Jesus says "If Anyone keeps my word he shall never taste death"and they say now we know that you have a demon because the prophets all died Abraham died and thats not what Jesus means he means that if you beleve in him you will not go to hell you go heven with him so therefore you dont die and thats what Jesus meant but they dont know then the people say to him you are not yet fifty years old and have you seen abraham? So then Jesus says before abraham was i am so Hes saying that before Abraham was even born he was there.

Anonymous said...

Ok i know Brooke posted some hillbilly thing but im still first to the devotions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

2answer ur question, when i hear the truth & i don't exactly wanna hear it...i listen anyways, it's the respectful thing 2 do.Weather i wanna hear it or not, it's the truth...

this passage is prett cool.I cant believe they have theodasity 2 ask if he had a demon in him!

Christ has great patience w/these people cuz he explains who he is OVER & OVER AGAIN in every passage we read!What's cool about it is he does it in a different way=]keeps it interesting...

If i were a non believer back then & didnt understand who Christ was, i' be confuzzled 2 when he said he's seen Abraham.But since i DO believe & have more brain cells than these people, i understand that he was talkin about when Abraham went to heaven...

If the Jews woulda listened 2 HALF the stuff he says they'd understand Christ wasn't talking about PHYSICAL death, he was talking about spiritual!

I remember the few nights u've preached on that pastor lee, GREAT STUFF!!!

Christ exlains who he is this time by telling them he's MET Abraham(in heaven) & that he's NOT bound by time as they are...He IS the past, present, & the future=]

Again, christ has great patience & creative ways 2 explain who he is...He doesn't freak out when they STILL don't believe after the ZILLIONTH time explaining it...& he doesnt seem 2 phased by them wantin 2 kill him 4 tellin the truth!

If it were me i'd b pretty angry by now that they're not believeing who i say i am!I know sumtimes i can get frusterated when people don't believe what i say is true.They ask me a question & only think the truth is what they wanna hear...

Tyler gets me in trouble ON PURPOSE all the time & he'll admit it 2 any1 if u ask him...exccept my parents of course...& when i try 2defend myself they don't usually listen & i used 2 get REALLY mad & fight w/em thus getting me trouble 4 what i actually deserved...

But sice ive been in devos, i've learned 2 just roll w/the punches & take what comes at me & dont blow up...people r gonna believe what they WANNA believe even when u tell them the truth...

Same goes 4 spreading the plan of salvation...it's ur job 2 share it, it's THEIR job 2 do w/what they want w/it...
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k...im done...im at my aunts house...i TRIED 2 FIX THE PROBLEM YESTERDAY...but she wont answer her phone...she's mad at me cuz we got in a fight at like 4am yeaterday monin...which is what made me realize i had a problem...i sent her a text on my cell(i got it back pastor lee...its the 661#)

she's kinda stubborn & wont say sorry even whenshe KNOWS she's in the wrong...so i decided 2 b the bigger person & say it so she'll at least hear me out so i can say bye in peace... it said

"I just wanted 2 say im sory 4 all ive said & done the past couple of days...i didnt want 2 put u thru all this(shes off her anti depresants so shes like MAD CRAZY EXTRA emotional)...even so...im sayin goodbye...its whats best 4 the BOTH of us...bye ***** ****"

It feels good tho...the truth is settin me free=]what trip this weekend???did i totally 4get sumthin???thanks 4 the compliment on the thought 4 the day...wakin up 1st thing & seein that, made me feel MUCH better=]

EVERYBODY!!!IF U'VE GOT UMTHIN HOLDIN U BACK FROM CHRIST...LET GO!!!it feels SOOO much better when u do=] BELIEVE me...

btw pastor lee...i would still like 2 pray 4 my friend i said goodbye 2...she FINALY got her life back on trackbout 3 1/2 months ago(no drugs, drinkin, etc) & well...she went 2 a friends party bout 3 months ago...& she thinks shes prego=[...she ummm...yeah...NO fault of her own if u catch my drift=[ & well...i dont want this 2 throw her back in2 her past self...she's doin so good...&im like the only 1 who was there 4 her...& w/me gone(personal reasons y i had 2 say goodbye) idk what she'll do...so PLEASE help me pray 4 her...she's still deservingof that...right???

ok...gotta go eat

Anonymous said...

no im DEF 1st john...mine r just so long it takes 4EVER 2 write...have u NEVER seen my mini novels -lol-

thats y i had 2 post my 1st comment 1st 2 hold my position...

we'll let pastor lee decide this 1-lol

Phil said...

guys I think i'm punished from the comp idk why but I won't be on for a while so just to let you know... I wish I didn't do what I did whatever I did do...

Rachel☺; said...

Hmmm, well im not taking sides here but i think, if were talking literal here, Jon is first to 'post his devotions' but now if were going for 'first post' Brooke has it.
So, i juussst got out of bed like 5seconds ago (: i slept till 1130.
Well theres a whole bunch of stuff we could talk about in this passage so ill try not to confuse myself as i type.
Firstly, i agree with Brooke when she says they are completely audacious to assume things of Him as they did, only because they were unbelieving of what He was telling them.
The reason these people never understood is because they werent open to listen or give a thought about what Jesus was saying!
That happens to me a lot when i dont think i NEED to understand something so i ignore it, and it turns out that i actually really needed it.
The rest is sorta the same drift; they argue with Jesus and sit there still disconcerted by what Jesus is saying and seem too look dumber and dumber everytime, but really it all (in my opinion) goes back to really opening up to understanding Gods word and what He has to say.
So like our devotions and such we should really try to understand Gods word because whether or not we think so; were majorly missing out if we dont.

Aznricerunr[PN] said...

I think both of them posted at the same time so its a tie. The winner should be decided by who can write the longest post 2moro! Good luck Jon your going to need it......

The Jews said that Jesus had a demon in him and Jesus being perfect that was impossible. Jesus says that if you believe in him you will never die. That doesn't mean you will be immortal you will still die physically but you will live spiritually in heaven. The Jews argued with him on and on and then decided to try and stone him to death. Jesus turned the other cheek and ran away so he wouldn't have to fight them. I didn't understand the time thing but then I read pastor lees post and I got it jesus is out of time thats cool hes like a super hero not effected by time. He is so powerful! Yeah I know its hard to be prove wrong and Josh L. always proves me wrong because his I.Q. is like 190 and instead of getting mad at him I just listen to him and store it in my brain as information. Thats what the Jews should have done they should of listen to Jesus and believed in him instead of just getting mad and throwing rocks at him!

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Anonymous said...

WELL!!!
Aznricerunr[PN](IM NOT SURE WHO IT IS)

IF we do the whole...who writes the longest devos 2morrow...i think we ALL know i got john beat...have u SEEN my mini novels -lol-

it's all good tho...its not about who gets 1st...what its REALLY about if u get what the devo's r sayin=]

PASTOR LEE: thanks 4 bein there 4 me 2day=] u have NO idea how much u mean 2me right now...

EVERYONE:if u EVER have a probel...PASTOR LEE is THE man 2 go2 2 push ya in the right direction=]

& 2 give u the 411 on that problem i had 2 take care of...it was WAY hard & she HATES me now &was puutin me down after i CALMLY & totally not harshly told her y i had 2 say goodbye...it feels great tho 2 b completly set free...

i know ALL of u have SOMETHING that is pushin u away from Christ & idk what it is, pastor lee dont know, john massy, or even JOSH L who has an I.Q of like 190-lol- doesnt know...but U&Christ DO...as little or as BIG as it may b...i promise if u let it go...things WILL get better...

it hurts, especially when its a friend who means ALOT 2 u(like my)case...it hurts & u may not know what 2do...but Christ'll get u thru it cuz as we've learned, cuz Christ knows ALL & what's best 4 us...if u have problems w/dealin...

isaiah 26:3

"Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee."

he'll give u peace if u believe & focus on him...& the SECOND i read that BAM!!!it stopped hurtin=]

Sorry 2 go on...just wanted 2 stop by & tell u bout what pastor lee & Christ has done in my life 2day=]great men them 2=]

THANK U PASTOR LEE=]

Amy :) said...

Thats a scary thought just going into a new town and talking to people and they all of a sudden want to kill you! wow! Jesus didnt at ALL deserve getting crucified we did! but He paid the penalty and died 4 us ! WOW! Jesus is the best! "Before Abraham was, I am" - this is a great quote because even before anything was made there was I am b4 everything became into exicdence there was I am!!! That is great because now we know that He has always been there and He is never going to leave our side no matter what happens! and we just need to trust Him and He will give us strentgh. WOW! God made time so He was always outside of time since well time is very confusing to me but all I know is He was there from the beginning of time and to the end and there in between. And He will always be in time. He controls time. the earth moving. If someone is telling me the truth and I think I'm right but I'm wrong. I'll probably just like blurt there voice out of my mind but if its Jesus that has been doing miracles for the past a lot of years then I would definetly beleive in what He has to say if I was back then @ the time I would listen to Him and through His word know I'll listen by doing my devotions everyday and going to church anytime the doors r open.


Well see ya tomorrow 4 church and Fri.- Sat. can't wait!

Gaby said...

heyy pastor lee im making up my devos i got my laptop to work yay!!
P.S. Thanks to everyone who left me bday comments!! and Rachel i have a thankyou for you so remind me when you come back!! I wish you were going on the rewards trip!! =[

Anywho these Jewish people need a smack on the head they accuse Jeusus of having a demon and hes just simply trying to explain who he is and the purpose he came here for...it seems like the jews were so wrapped up in their world that they couldnt understand things outside of their world like how Jesus had seen abraham, ad he's not old. Plus i also think the're a little obsessed with abraham cause thats all they keep talking about lol...I like how Pastor Lee reminds us that these people tried to kill Jesus yet he still died for them anyways...if that was me i wouldnt want to die for them. God has such Grace and love it amazes me!!

Robert J Bellis-Nottingham said...

Wow, long day for me;

Okay, I think I see these verses in an interesting perspective.

I think we could see just how crazy we all are, to think how crazy everyone else is, especially Jesus.

I believe that we as people are too stubborn to accept reality, and fact, especially when it comes from the Bible or God. We always need proof before we accept something.

I would say this is the same way most people treat relationships. Most people have a hard time showing that they believe the other person loves them, or that they will show love back, until said person proves they love them first!

HOW CRAZY IS THAT???
How can Jesus constantly tell us how much he loves us and accepts us, and throws untold wisdom into our laps for us to turn our chins and say we are better, and he needs to prove the stuff he says because we are too lazy to pick it up and ACT, we are too shameful to believe and accept out of love, instead, we act, expecting some kind of reaction every single time.

I think a lot of believers do this, they do something for Jesus, and then they expect their lives to all of a sudden get better. I think they fail to understand their lives are already better if they understand that doing good for others, is doing good for themselves in it's own action.

Or people do something for someone else, Just today in fact. An employee was asked by a 'handycap person' in a motorchair to help them out by opening the door, they didn't say please, and they said to the person "sorry to interupt your conversation" the employee still opened the door and said have a good day, but then when the employee got back inside, they said, "You know that really irritates me, I was nice and opened the door for him and he didn't even say thank you" I said, "I'm not trying to burst your bubble, or make you feel bad, but you can not do something good for someone and expect they will act or recieve what you do the way you expect them too.", "People can be horrible, but if every time you open the door for someone, and expect them to be thankful you are only hurting yourself.", I said, "Do you know why he was in a bad mood? Do you know if he is always upset? Would it be nice if people were more thankful, absolutely, but it starts with people doing nice things without expecting anything in return first."

I still don't think the employee understood, and I don't think we understand all the things Jesus points out to us, and shows us. The holy spirit is constantly around us trying to help us understand what we do not, by using what we know. I think people get too frusterated to want to cooperate with what they know is right, or with courtesy.


Think on it? It makes sense, but it's hard to apply and understand.

We are only human don't lose faith, but believe in Jesus, and believe in yourself! Because we are the kingdom of heaven, and our strength and examples make paths for others to follow, and in that way we can truly bring many more people with us to Jesus's Kingdom in the end.

-Rob

Anonymous said...

HAY! sorry i'm doing my devotions so late but i was grounded yesterday and today for "ATTITUDE" but its over now!=]
ok so it's incredible that these people have the nerve to talk to Jesus like that! I mean to say "who do you think you are" to a person that makes miracles! and saying that he has a demon! also whenever he tries to tell the truth people try to kill him! MAN☻! i am sorry but if i were living that life i would crawl under a rock!

Anonymous said...

PPAASSSTTOOORRR LLLEEEE!!!! where are you today I wake up at 7:30 and all i get is to find out I beat You...

Anonymous said...

looks like i got sum compatition w/lucy ehh???-lol-

may the best grl win -lol-

Kacey! said...

Ok, it seems to me that for everyone these people don't like, they want to stone. They asked Him who He was so Jesus told them. They didn't like the answer, so they wanted to kill Him.

I kind of do the same thing, but not so extreme. I can't think of an example in particular, but when I ask a question and I don't get the answer I want, I get mad. I don't know if that happens to anyone else, but it does me.

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